tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post3766004984285549460..comments2023-10-09T21:49:57.366+09:00Comments on Page F30: Why Ceres might be a better location for colonization than MarsMehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15083766178887686304noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-12707851053365681672011-03-07T14:04:32.524+09:002011-03-07T14:04:32.524+09:00Nice article. I think the largest obstacle to focu...Nice article. <br><br>I think the largest obstacle to focusing on Ceres instead of Mars is psychological. We see Mars as being a sister planet to earth due to its similarities, Ceres may be too "alien" for the general populace to embrace. <br>I agree with the above comment, Ceres might be better farmed for its water, which can be done once there is a human presence on Mars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-19372583873990528472011-03-07T14:04:31.875+09:002011-03-07T14:04:31.875+09:00You don't mention radiation levels which are b...You don't mention radiation levels which are both deadly on Mars and, presumably Ceres (without an atmosphere, I don't think there's any way it could have any protection). <br><br>If Ceres's water really is fresh, a better possibility might be to crash it into Mars, Venus, or some other planet as a first step toward terraforming.John Rohanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05582537478822923457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-36717568024225569872011-03-07T14:04:31.288+09:002011-03-07T14:04:31.288+09:00Why don't we think about moving ceres to the m...Why don't we think about moving ceres to the mars. The huge amount of water will make the mars a real earth like planet...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-73393045329985229532011-03-07T14:04:30.815+09:002011-03-07T14:04:30.815+09:00Yep, and glad to see it. We won't have to worr...Yep, and glad to see it. We won't have to worry about Mars vs. Ceres until VASIMR is in regular use.데이빛 / Mithridateshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15083766178887686304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-8833607147330388732011-03-07T14:04:30.527+09:002011-03-07T14:04:30.527+09:00In terms of getting water from Ceres to Mars, if y...In terms of getting water from Ceres to Mars, if you have the technology to crash Ceres into Mars, couldn't you also put it in orbit as a moon of Mars? Then, with it's low low escape velocity, you could probably just ship out Dan Marino and Nolan Ryan to chunk the ice from Ceres to Mars (or use similarly capable mechanical equipment...).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-50537418239860000542009-10-05T18:24:55.989+09:002009-10-05T18:24:55.989+09:00Yep, and glad to see it. We won't have to worr...Yep, and glad to see it. We won't have to worry about Mars vs. Ceres until VASIMR is in regular use.Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15083766178887686304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-83218880078775349152009-10-05T18:10:03.439+09:002009-10-05T18:10:03.439+09:00Well, looks like there is water on the moon. Oops,...Well, looks like there is water on the moon. Oops, so much for Ceres.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-73257928647077175082009-09-17T04:44:48.668+09:002009-09-17T04:44:48.668+09:00Or couldn't you just put Ceres in orbit around...Or couldn't you just put Ceres in orbit around mars, and let mars' gravity pull the water from Ceres into mars' atmosphere, and eventually rain the water onto its surface? Then all we would have to do is plant some plants, and there we go: New Eden!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-7084408368468344132009-08-26T12:11:56.207+09:002009-08-26T12:11:56.207+09:00In terms of getting water from Ceres to Mars, if y...In terms of getting water from Ceres to Mars, if you have the technology to crash Ceres into Mars, couldn't you also put it in orbit as a moon of Mars? Then, with it's low low escape velocity, you could probably just ship out Dan Marino and Nolan Ryan to chunk the ice from Ceres to Mars (or use similarly capable mechanical equipment...).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-38585572383881322132009-04-13T17:32:00.000+09:002009-04-13T17:32:00.000+09:00Excellent article. Space travel is still so compl...Excellent article. Space travel is still so complicated and expensive, I wonder if we will ever get to the point where it can be as simple as in the movies.Tonyhttp://www.delovesto.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-14721981435998680612009-04-11T23:55:00.000+09:002009-04-11T23:55:00.000+09:00To those who want to crash Ceres into Mars, 'for t...To those who want to crash Ceres into Mars, 'for the water': Good idea, but I want to do it for the fireworks.<BR/><BR/>950 km object...moving at least at escape velocity (gravity, ya know)...small energy release on impact, nothing much, maybe enough to split mars open, shatter it completely or who knows...<BR/><BR/>What fun, but I fear it makes Mars uninhabitable for a while.Fred Znoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-48987480888241690672009-04-09T06:06:00.000+09:002009-04-09T06:06:00.000+09:00Why don't we think about moving ceres to the mars....Why don't we think about moving ceres to the mars. The huge amount of water will make the mars a real earth like planet...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-13805521859042667442009-04-07T15:42:00.000+09:002009-04-07T15:42:00.000+09:00Interesting Article, thanks, just two little point...Interesting Article, thanks, just two little points:<BR/><BR/>1 - Your Earth Return Rocket/Fuel doesn't need to land on Mars, you can leave that parked in Orbit. You 'only' need to land a smaller rocket that 'just' takes the astronauts back to Martian orbit. Obviously it's still very challenging, but I don't think it would require the Falcon 1 class rocket you suggest.<BR/>2 - You can also use Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-23033202635268591512009-04-07T13:14:00.000+09:002009-04-07T13:14:00.000+09:00Nice article. I think the largest obstacle to focu...Nice article. <BR/><BR/>I think the largest obstacle to focusing on Ceres instead of Mars is psychological. We see Mars as being a sister planet to earth due to its similarities, Ceres may be too "alien" for the general populace to embrace. <BR/>I agree with the above comment, Ceres might be better farmed for its water, which can be done once there is a human presence on Mars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-83701515113834450802009-04-07T10:04:00.000+09:002009-04-07T10:04:00.000+09:00You don't mention radiation levels which are both ...You don't mention radiation levels which are both deadly on Mars and, presumably Ceres (without an atmosphere, I don't think there's any way it could have any protection). <BR/><BR/>If Ceres's water really is fresh, a better possibility might be to crash it into Mars, Venus, or some other planet as a first step toward terraforming.John Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582537478822923457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-53471485628943988052009-04-07T06:27:00.000+09:002009-04-07T06:27:00.000+09:00Humans need gravity and space to pollute. Both are...Humans need gravity and space to pollute. Both are very limited on Ceres.Epsos Deehttp://epsos.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-79528771052959390582009-04-07T06:05:00.000+09:002009-04-07T06:05:00.000+09:00Nice article. "The lower gravity also makes the cr...Nice article. <BR/><BR/>"The lower gravity also makes the crucial initial robotic exploration that much easier as well."<BR/><BR/>Thats totally wrong. we use gravity to our advantage for robotic exploration. "hopping" around is completely impractical - precise (Order cm) movement would be very difficult and the wear would be a serious issue (more than wheels).<BR/><BR/>Also, centrifuges on the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-78967941101633328902009-04-07T04:42:00.000+09:002009-04-07T04:42:00.000+09:00"to escape the gravity of Mars you need to be movi..."to escape the gravity of Mars you need to be moving at a velocity of 5.027 km/s (almost half that of Earth)"<BR/><BR/>That's not what escape velocity means. To escape the gravity of Mars you need to be moving at 5 km/s *assuming no further acceleration*.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, what's with the scaling of the rockets? That makes no sense at all.Ian Calverthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598630812742024455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8240097.post-20078299619573428932009-04-07T03:33:00.000+09:002009-04-07T03:33:00.000+09:00Very nice article; I can't wait to see the close u...Very nice article; I can't wait to see the close ups of Ceres in 2015.J.http://mindruin.comnoreply@blogger.com