Stealth translation on Wikipedia, this time in Occidental: Dismissal of labour in Argentina (Despido laboral en Argentina)

Wednesday, July 09, 2008

Location of Argentina

In 2005 when I first learned Ido I did a lot of work on the Wikipedia and Wiktionary, which took up a ton of my free time and I eventually had to stop after I realized that people need to work to make money to live (man cannot live by auxlang alone as the saying goes). One way to try to bring attention to Ido was to translate articles that were on the main page of the English Wikipedia, since on the left side would be a small link that says: In other languages with Ido written underneath. That meant that the best articles were those that weren't translated into other languages yet, because if they were it meant that the word Ido would simply get lost in with all the other languages. If an article on the main page had too many translations in other languages that meant that I would go for another section like did you know...? because those are on the main page as well, though they generally don't get quite the same attention.

I like to think that I brought Ido a lot of attention with that but I also wonder if perhaps a lot of people took a look at the language, shrugged their shoulders and went back about their business. Perhaps a language like Ido doesn't have quite the same gravitas as a language that can be largely read at first sight. So to test this I'll be doing translations of pieces on the main page of Wikipedia into Occidental to see what the reaction is, if any. Once Lingua Franca Nova gets its own Wikipedia approved, I'll probably do the same thing there as well.

In the meantime, let's see what people on Wikipedia think of Occidental. This time I'm going to be translating articles from the Spanish Wikipedia, for three reasons:
  • I'm studying Spanish;
  • Occidental is easier for Spanish people to read than those who speak only English;
  • English people are notorious for their lack of interest in other languages; people who have other languages as a mother tongue, not so much.
Today's article is a fascinating one about terminating employment in Argentina. As always, as a beginner at Occidental I'm going to need corrections all the time. Luckily even if nobody lends a hand and the article stays error-ridden, people who have never seen Occidental before won't know the difference anyway.

I suspect though that this might actually benefit Interlingua instead, because Occidental doesn't really have much of a web presence, the site you go to to learn the language and start using it with other people. It makes a good first impression (hey, I can read most of this!), but then leaves people out in the cold when it comes to making the next step, and that might be when the prospective student finds another language that looks quite similar, and goes with that.

Here's the original article. Since the goal here is to simply get attention, I don't mind if the Spanish-English translation is a bit rough.

Edit July 10th: a very kind anonymous commenter has looked over the whole article and made a number of corrections and suggestions, and I've changed the Occidental text in accordance with them. You can still see the original one I wrote in the history of the Occidental Wikipedia.

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Occidental English

El despido laboral es la rescisión del contrato de trabajo de un trabajador, decidida unilateralmente por el empleador, con o sin invocación de causa. Como los requisitos para proceder a un despido laboral y las consecuencias de la decisión están regulados por cada legislación, existen diferencias según sea el país cuya normativa deba aplicarse.[1] Este artículo se refiere exclusivamente a los despidos de trabajadores que, por haberse desempeñado en la Argentina, se rigen por las leyes de este país.[2]

En el Derecho argentino el despido laboral se encuentra regulado por la ley de contrato de trabajo (en adelante la LCT) aprobada por la ley 20.744 en 1974 con algunas reformas posteriores y disposiciones complementarias. En 1976 se dictó el decreto 390/76 que aprobó un texto ordenado que recoge esas reformas, por lo cual a veces se la menciona como ley 20.744 (t.o. decreto 390/76).[3cell 1

Congediament es li termination del contrate de labor de un laborero, decidet unilateralmen per li employero, con o sin justification. Proque li preconditiones por proceder a un congediament e li consequenties del decision es regulat per li respectiv legislationes, hay differenties dependent del pais de quel es aplicabil li normes. Ti articul refere se exclusivmen al congediament de laboreros queles, por har esset employat in Argentina, es governat per li leges de ti pais.

In li jure argentin li congediament es regulat in li lege de contrate de labor ("ley de contrato de trabajo", antey "LCT") aprobat quam lege 20.744 in 1974 con quelc reformes posteriori e dispositiones suplementari. In 1976 esset promulgat li decret 390/76 quel aprobat un textu órdinant quel colecte ti reformes e talmen es quelcvez mentionat quam lege 20.744. proque on mentionat it quelcvez quam lege 20.744 (decret 390/76).

Dismissal of labour is the termination of the employment contract of an employee, decided unilaterally by the employer, with or without invoking a cause. As the requirements for a job dismissal and the consequences of every decision are regulated by legislation, there are differences by country in which rules are applied. This article deals exclusively with layoffs of workers who, by being employed in Argentina, are governed by the laws of this country.

In the labour law in Argentina the dismissal of labour is regulated by the law of employment contract (the LCT) approved by the law 20,744 in 1974 with some subsequent reforms with some supplementary provisions. In 1976 was issued the decree 390/76 which adopted a writ that incorporates these reforms, which sometimes is mentioned as law 20,744.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bon die

Hante trovat li articul "Stealth translation on Wikipedia, this time in Occidental" e leente que "I'm going to need corrections all the time" yo esset támen tentat provar scrir un levimen, in litt detallies diferent version de ti quelc alineas. Li schema es sempre: original version / alternativ version. To es solmen li proposition de un letor o a considerar quam base de discussion. Omni person va comprender li publicat textu. E in omni casu yo trova li traduction de un "novice" in Interlingue-Occidental plu quam astonant. Mersí por li initiative, bon salutes. we

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Laboral demission es li termination del contration de labore de un laborero, decidet unilateralmen per li employero, con o sin invocation del cause.

-> Congediament es li termination del contrate de labor de un laborero, decidet unilateralmen per li employero, con o sin justification.

Proque li preconditiones por proceder a un laboral demission e li consequenties del decision es regulat per individual legislation, hay differenties secun li pais in quel regules es aplicat.

-> Proque li preconditiones por proceder a un congediament e li consequenties del decision es regulat per li respectiv legislationes, hay diferenties dependent del pais de quel es aplicabil li normes.

Ti articul refere se exclusivmen a li demission de laboreres queles, pro que ili ha esset employat in Argentina, es governat del leges de ti pais.

-> Ti articul refere se exclusivmen al congediament de laboreros queles, por har esset employat in Argentina, es governat per li leges de ti pais.

In li lege de labore in Argentina li demission de labore es regulat per li lege de contration de labore (anc conosset quam LCT, o ley de contrato de trabajo) aprobat per li lege 20.744 in 1974 con alcun reformes posteriori e formas posteriores e suplementari stiuplationes.

-> In li jure argentin li congediament es regulat in li lege de contrate de labor ("ley de contrato de trabajo", antey "LCT") aprobat quam lege 20.744 in 1974 con quelc reformes posteriori e dispositiones suplementari.

In 1976 li decrete 390/76 esset provenit, quel adoptet un textu de órdine quel incorporat ti reformes, e talmen es quelcvez mentionat quam li lege 20.744.

-> In 1976 esset promulgat li decret 390/76 quel aprobat un textu órdinant quel colecte ti reformes e talmen es quelcvez mentionat quam lege 20.744. proque on mentionat it quelcvez quam lege 20.744 (decret 390/76).

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Anotationes:

Laboral demission : congediament (demission = ex [libri] voluntá)

contration de labore : contrate de labor (contrat/e, -ar, -iv)

invocation del cause : forsan simplicmen justification, motivation; invocar es forsan plutost li action de proceder al instantie superior

es regulat per individual legislation: ne coresponde al original textu (legislation es general, ne individual)

refere se exclusivmen a li demission: a li = al demission

de laboreres : laboreros

stiuplationes (-> stipulationes).

Me said...

Mersí pro li corectiones - yo ha fat omni les. In facte, chascun vez yo scri in Occidental yo demanda a un altri person corecter mi scrition. *^^*

It is damage que Occidental ne have un central loc de internet u persones qui ne conosse it posse aprender li grammatica e li lingue (Ido anc alquant have ti problema).

Anonymous said...

Bon die

Hante trovat li articul "Stealth translation on Wikipedia, this time in Occidental" e leente que "I'm going to need corrections all the time" yo esset támen tentat provar scrir un levimen, in litt detallies diferent version de ti quelc alineas. Li schema es sempre: original version / alternativ version. To es solmen li proposition de un letor o a considerar quam base de discussion. Omni person va comprender li publicat textu. E in omni casu yo trova li traduction de un "novice" in Interlingue-Occidental plu quam astonant. Mersí por li initiative, bon salutes. we

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Laboral demission es li termination del contration de labore de un laborero, decidet unilateralmen per li employero, con o sin invocation del cause.

-> Congediament es li termination del contrate de labor de un laborero, decidet unilateralmen per li employero, con o sin justification.

Proque li preconditiones por proceder a un laboral demission e li consequenties del decision es regulat per individual legislation, hay differenties secun li pais in quel regules es aplicat.

-> Proque li preconditiones por proceder a un congediament e li consequenties del decision es regulat per li respectiv legislationes, hay diferenties dependent del pais de quel es aplicabil li normes.

Ti articul refere se exclusivmen a li demission de laboreres queles, pro que ili ha esset employat in Argentina, es governat del leges de ti pais.

-> Ti articul refere se exclusivmen al congediament de laboreros queles, por har esset employat in Argentina, es governat per li leges de ti pais.

In li lege de labore in Argentina li demission de labore es regulat per li lege de contration de labore (anc conosset quam LCT, o ley de contrato de trabajo) aprobat per li lege 20.744 in 1974 con alcun reformes posteriori e formas posteriores e suplementari stiuplationes.

-> In li jure argentin li congediament es regulat in li lege de contrate de labor ("ley de contrato de trabajo", antey "LCT") aprobat quam lege 20.744 in 1974 con quelc reformes posteriori e dispositiones suplementari.

In 1976 li decrete 390/76 esset provenit, quel adoptet un textu de órdine quel incorporat ti reformes, e talmen es quelcvez mentionat quam li lege 20.744.

-> In 1976 esset promulgat li decret 390/76 quel aprobat un textu órdinant quel colecte ti reformes e talmen es quelcvez mentionat quam lege 20.744. proque on mentionat it quelcvez quam lege 20.744 (decret 390/76).

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Anotationes:

Laboral demission : congediament (demission = ex [libri] voluntá)

contration de labore : contrate de labor (contrat/e, -ar, -iv)

invocation del cause : forsan simplicmen justification, motivation; invocar es forsan plutost li action de proceder al instantie superior

es regulat per individual legislation: ne coresponde al original textu (legislation es general, ne individual)

refere se exclusivmen a li demission: a li = al demission

de laboreres : laboreros

stiuplationes (-> stipulationes).

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